Anti-God?
My sister asked me this moring why I wrote that "anti-God" post.
Huh? The one about the bibles?
Yes.
I said bring on the bibles. I said, the more the merrier. How as that anti-god?
She had a heavy sigh. God would not like that.
What? That I yell out OH MY GOD while having sex?
See? You're going to get in trouble for that.
Cathy, I don't believe in god. Remember? I'm an atheist.
I'm working on that.
Don't you dare work on that. Our mother was an atheist and it was probably one of the best things she gave me.
Just don't do the God bashing anymore.
I wasn't bashing god! I was saying please, more bibles. Not bashing god.
So I ask you, was I bashing god? Did anyone take away a negative god remark from my post?
Okay, maybe I got a little cheeky in the comments section but the post was never intended to insult anyone's god. I know my sister gets confused because I am a Unitarian Universalist and she somehow relates that to believing in God.
Wrong again, my dear sister.
But in honor of her, I will quote from the Book of Samuel:
"And it came to pass, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. And Jonathan said to David, God be between me and thee, and between my seed and thy seed for ever. "
And to think some call homosexuality a sin...
Huh? The one about the bibles?
Yes.
I said bring on the bibles. I said, the more the merrier. How as that anti-god?
She had a heavy sigh. God would not like that.
What? That I yell out OH MY GOD while having sex?
See? You're going to get in trouble for that.
Cathy, I don't believe in god. Remember? I'm an atheist.
I'm working on that.
Don't you dare work on that. Our mother was an atheist and it was probably one of the best things she gave me.
Just don't do the God bashing anymore.
I wasn't bashing god! I was saying please, more bibles. Not bashing god.
So I ask you, was I bashing god? Did anyone take away a negative god remark from my post?
Okay, maybe I got a little cheeky in the comments section but the post was never intended to insult anyone's god. I know my sister gets confused because I am a Unitarian Universalist and she somehow relates that to believing in God.
Wrong again, my dear sister.
But in honor of her, I will quote from the Book of Samuel:
"And it came to pass, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. And Jonathan said to David, God be between me and thee, and between my seed and thy seed for ever. "
And to think some call homosexuality a sin...
posted by Sara at 4:15 PM
14 Comments:
From one UU to another, I ask...would she think you were Allah bashing if you wrote about the Qur'an? Buddha if you mentioned any Sutras? I won't go on, but you get the picture...philosophical(or cynical) as it is.
I love it when I make the blog!!
What I meant by "working on it" was getting you saved, even if it happens moments before your last breath.
And that simply means asking for forgiveness for your sins and claiming God as your savior. That's it.
For me, once I was saved, that meant trying daily to live a more Christian life and passing the joy that I get from knowing God onto others. It is different for everyone, that's just me. You know I never Bible thump you.
But this is the correct quote from Samual:
"Now when he finished speaking to Saul, the soul of Jonathan was knit to the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul."
1 Samuel 18:1 KJV
Quite different from the UU version where it is worded to benefit the belief.
All the Bible was saying is Jonathan was giving his authority of succession to his father's throne to David. Nothing immoral there. Nothing oking Homosexuality.
Oh and to answer your question, the Bible, the King James Version, says that Homosexuality is a sin.
"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is a abomination."
Levitcus 18:22
What the bottom line is, your my Sister, my favorite Sister and whatever kind of life style you choose to live is your business. You know I have been the biggest supporter of you and Jeanine staying together. But you can't fault me for wanting to have you with me in heaven just as we are here on earth.
No one is perfect but God, no one could be. I am far from it and will never achieve it. But I will try everyday and ask forgiveness before I go to sleep each night.
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever beleives in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
John 3:16
You can live your life just the way you are and still go to Heaven if you believe, none of us are perfect.
I can't wait to see all the responses to this one!
From another UU... nope, not bashing God or anyone else!
Wow, my head really hurts after reading your sisters response.
Good luck sorting that out...I can't comment because whatever I say will seem like judgment and I'm just not going there.
correct quote to who? I actually got the quote from a Rabbinical student, as in a guy who is going to be a Rabbi.
why is your quote correct and mine wrong? I think yours is wrong. What makes you the authority? what makes your version of the bible the authority?
it's just a story.
and I swear if you do something freaky like have me saved after I'm dead, I'll have my kids come kick your ass!
It'll be in my will- if crazy aunt cathy does anything religious with my name, GET HER.
and they will...
I love my sister. I think you are finding some interesting stories, and learning some new ideas. please don't be so quick to take everything literally.
God did not write the bible. Men wrote the bible. Flesh and blood, flawed, human, men.
AND I WAS NOT GOD BASHING!!!
Whats up with these judgemental sisters trying to save our souls?
Oh well I guess they do it because they love us.
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Neither one of us is right or wrong. Like I said that's just what it is for me. Didn't mean your quote was wrong, just writing from the book I read. I should not of said "the correct", my apologies. The King James Version is the most widely read Bible in the world, and most widely accepted, but that doesn't mean it is correct. I've always believed that a lot is lost translation.
And I can't save your soul after you die. I can't save your soul right now, or ever. Only you can do that, but not after you die.
Again, I don't Bible thump u, right? Never will. If anyone, including family, ever wants to be saved or know God through my experiences, it will be because of what they see in me, the changes I have made, am making, or just the light in my eyes. It will never be because I tried to beat them over the head with my thoughts and feelings.
And to everyone else reading these words, my Sister and I are in NO means fighting. We love each other too much. I respect her and her lifestyle, as she does mine. I would never try to change her as she would never try to change. I realize sometimes that is hard to tell from typed words.
That also is the beauty of our relationship. We can call each other on our stuff and talk about it and still be able to laugh at the end of it all.
Also it is very important to me that I always live up to the title of "Crazy Aunt Cathy" aka Auntie Boulderdash!
Love you guys!!!!
I didnt take is as God bashing at all.
Religion is a funny thing. I was born and raised Catholic (combined with a strict Italain Granmother who made you feel guilty about EVERYTHING)- my beliefs are very deep. But I am not welcome in my Church which is sad. But - hey - whatever.
See, I do believe in God. I believe God created us all exactly the way we are and doesnt judge us. Its PEOPLE who screw the whole thing up in their translations.
So, even though I do not go to Church (and kinda miss it) I still consider myself pretty spiritual.
I dont judge people's beliefs - whether they believe or not is a personal choice.
You and your sister sound like you have a great relationship -
Oh god no, I'm not upset at all.
shit, I shouldn't have said Oh god..
uh... how about Oh God no...
because I do love my seester.
still wasn't God bashing.
And King James version is the most widely read by CHRISTIANS... a whole lot more people in this world read other texts. Koran, Torah, just to name a couple.
Christianity, it's about a gift, not a set of rules. If only more Christians lived that way!
As a gay Christian minister, I LOVE this honest, real life, loving discussion between family members.
I wish more people could see each other as human beings and not as stereotypes or represenatives of causes.
I spent a lot of my adult life raging against Christianity and Christians of various stripes, and the religious right in particular, and finding lots of support among my queer siblings who have been deeply wounded by the church. At this point in my life, I wish more queer folks could find compassion for christians and members of the religious right. We have let their judgment define us and have built up our walls so that we can feel righteous behind them, just like fundamentalists. I'm not saying we have to deny our pain but let's also find love, especially for those who are hard to love. That is afterall, what Jesus did.
To Sarah: I love the UU Fellowship and if I weren't a Christian, that would be my home.
To Cathy: God bless, not all atheists and LGBT's are hostile.
Thanks again to you both!
Oh, what the hell...I'm jumping in. No one can possibly be more queer than me. That being said, seed = children, family. Much different than the homosexual interpretation.
וַיְהִ֗י כְּכַלֹּתֹו֙ לְדַבֵּ֣ר אֶל־שָׁא֔וּל וְנֶ֙פֶשׁ֙ יְהֹ֣ונָתָ֔ן נִקְשְׁרָ֖ה בְּנֶ֣פֶשׁ דָּוִ֑ד יְהֹונָתָ֖ן כְּנַפְשֹֽׁו׃
First of all, the above is the correct quote from 1 Samuel.I can't quickly find a good transliteration online; I think this computer is lacking some necessary fonts or something.
Secondly, "abomination" in Leviticus is most definitely an English mistranslation of the Hebrew. The Hebrew word used is toevah, indicating something that was unclean to the Jews, like touching a pig; the word for something intrinsically wrong/sinful for all people is zimah.
(Of course, there's plentiful debate back and forth on this particular issue, but I think if one is going to cite a source, it's important to be somewhat familiar with the original material.)
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